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618: 2018/09/09(日) 20:46:12.17 ID:dO7aYKh/d
フレ分隊でここを俺らだけで守るぞみたいな事が出来るなら楽しいだろうが野良分隊だとそれも出来ずに回遊魚プレイになるだけってな
マップの拠点を上手く配置しないと難しいよな

 

620: 2018/09/09(日) 20:46:57.77 ID:HCu5szQq0
>>618
個人的には拠点数多すぎる気がするわ。

 

845: 2018/09/09(日) 23:38:51.26 ID:Dl2FN8Wid
回遊魚が抑制されてる時点でコンクエの勝利のための行動できてるじゃん
マップの赤点めがけて群がりぐるぐる回ってる味方にストレス感じてた人間としては最高なんだけど

 

868: 2018/09/09(日) 23:49:53.66 ID:J19x5G9td
>>845
BF1とちがってちゃんとコンクエストしてるプレイヤーなら自然と上位に行くし不便さを感じさせないシステムだからな
裏取りして拠点攻め崩してしっかり防衛ができるし少なくとも4や1よりはコンクエスト出来てる 

 

874: 2018/09/09(日) 23:55:43.87 ID:XvjVenXb0
>>845
回遊魚が抑制されたというのはスポット目指してグルグル回るレベルではそうだけど
5の回遊魚状態はシステム的にまた違うレベルで成立してる。

5の場合は、拠点をグルグル回る回遊魚状態なんだよ
もちろん拠点奪取ゲーだから拠点を目指すのは当然なんだけど
拠点を奪取し合う敵と味方の分隊が交戦し合ったりフェイストゥーフェイスになる場面が
圧倒的に少なくて、ほぼほぼ行き違いのグルグル回遊状態になってる
交戦しても小隊と大隊の交戦レベルで、それゆえに戦場が静かに聞こえるような印象が末端ユーザーの間でささやかれてる

 

879: 2018/09/09(日) 23:57:59.89 ID:Dl2FN8Wid
>>874
それbf1のことじゃん
今作は確実に衝突自体は増えてるよ

 

882: 2018/09/09(日) 23:58:50.62 ID:hkV8lSeQ0
>>879
衝突はかなり減ってるでしょ
てかまず弾が制限されてるので戦いは可能な限り回避したほうが効率良いんだよね

特に終盤は超高速で旗をとれるから
敵と戦うより空き巣するのが基本になる

 

893: 2018/09/10(月) 00:03:47.92 ID:KXiWIbJG0
>>879
えー!w 増えてないでしょうw
逃げ道も多いし段数少ないから交戦を休戦するような場面すら見受けられる
前に直進的に交戦するより。交戦回避しながら拠点に動く移動が重要になってて
交戦場面は明らかに小隊相手に民族大移動する大隊が圧制するというグルグル構造

 

849: 2018/09/09(日) 23:42:33.89 ID:VSoN8Ms80
最初は弾薬や回復のシステムくっそダルかったけど慣れてくるとけっこう楽しめるもんだな

 

850: 2018/09/09(日) 23:43:14.15 ID:nEGh7sLd0
>>849
でもダルい事には変わりないけどな
これが面白さにつながっているとは思えないし

 

855: 2018/09/09(日) 23:45:06.00 ID:HCu5szQq0
>>850
弾薬と回復別にする必要あったんやろか

 

862: 2018/09/09(日) 23:46:39.05 ID:nEGh7sLd0
>>855
後、補給所が壊れるとかな
必要性あるんかいな

 

866: 2018/09/09(日) 23:48:48.28 ID:Mwgc9K450
>>850
何でもかんでも連携させるために不便を強いてやり難くさせてるだけってのがなあ
β前だとBFは連携を重んじるゲームだからこれを非難する奴は分かってないとか言うやつそこそこいたけど
β出てからとんと見なくなったし

 

863: 2018/09/09(日) 23:46:44.57 ID:DP2n8Jh40
無双できるようになってきてやめられない
BF4とか1みたいに50キルとかとれるようになってきた

 

900: 2018/09/10(月) 00:07:04.61 ID:jvBIUt67d
当たり前の事書くけど敵と交戦したいなら味方が3人以上居ても鳴らされてる拠点に向かえば良い
敵一掃して拠点奪取しても仮にその拠点の周辺が敵拠点ばかりだと防衛しとくとまたそれなりの交戦できるよ

 

907: 2018/09/10(月) 00:12:10.73 ID:KXiWIbJG0
>>900
別に「交戦したい」という第一目的があって拠点ゲームがあるのではなく
何をもってゲームの物語性を担保するのかという構造上の不備があるという点なんだよ

 

928: 2018/09/10(月) 00:23:12.43 ID:FycbazFJ0
正直な感想は確かにBF1より進化を感じるし楽しいのよね
けど分隊ゲーを加速させるシステムのせいで全てが台無し

 

937: 2018/09/10(月) 00:32:30.60 ID:msWxT4E40
拠点占拠直後に敵が侵入してきても次の拠点に向かうやつ結構いる。
もうこれは魚群体験ゲームだ。

 

939: 2018/09/10(月) 00:34:05.65 ID:pIh5T3YK0
>>937
BF2やBF2142みたいに、徹底的に考え抜かれた拠点配置と拠点距離じゃないからな・・・

戦略性ゼロになったから、もう適当に回遊魚してたほうが楽しいっていう。

 

914: 2018/09/10(月) 00:15:47.81 ID:dO0LtJ200
もうシステムこのままでもいいから、せめてコロモーズで
援護してくれとか、ついてきてくれとか、地点移動指示とか色々ふやしてくれ。
俺は別に無双して楽しみたいんじゃないんだよ、皆とワイワイして共闘してーんだよ。

 

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