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【BFV】スポット実質廃止でどう変わったのか?みんなの感想。

284: 2018/09/05(水) 18:07:11.87 ID:t4ndQwiAM
スポット実質廃止ってどう変わったん?

 

286: 2018/09/05(水) 18:09:28.55 ID:XTy0m4m40
>>284
裏取りゲーになった
あとガン待ち有利でゲーム性崩壊

 

299: 2018/09/05(水) 18:20:51.72 ID:HXqC1YNM0
>>286
裏どりゲーはどの作品でもそうじゃない?
ガン待ち有利でってどのゲームもガン待ちは有利じゃん
ガン待ちが有利じゃないゲームなんてどういうことなの

 

305: 2018/09/05(水) 18:23:47.07 ID:XTy0m4m40
>>299
度合いの問題
ガン待ち一択で話にならないレベルだから
結果として爽快感が消滅した

 

312: 2018/09/05(水) 18:32:58.96 ID:HXqC1YNM0
>>302
そんなこと言ったら、どのゲームもガン待ち強いでしょ!
どのシリーズのcodしかりbfしかり
ゲーム性は少し変わるけどシージはガン待ち気味なゲームだけど面白いじゃん


>>305
ゲームモードが一つしかないからなんとも言えなくないか
現時点でのゲームモードはガン待ちが有利だからするのであって、コンクエでずっとガン待ちしてる人はほぼいないわけだし

長文すまん

 

287: 2018/09/05(水) 18:09:55.72 ID:jMRyTd2G0
実際、スポットをちゃんと使ってくれる気の利いた奴なんて殆ど居なかったしむしろ要らないかもね
自己中プレイが入り混じる野良じゃスポットは余計な要素だろう

 

288: 2018/09/05(水) 18:11:05.11 ID:zmqloRVZ0
ガン待ち有利はリアル志向

 

289: 2018/09/05(水) 18:12:14.69 ID:deWtlFyg0
芋がちゃんとスポット役割として機能させればいい

 

290: 2018/09/05(水) 18:15:15.33 ID:VHweVqCSa
リアルに寄ってゲーム性を損なうとは本末転倒だな
メディックで速攻蘇生できる時点でリアルもクソも無いのに

 

291: 2018/09/05(水) 18:15:42.92 ID:22TGhV+dp
スポット使えない奴は知らんが索敵には便利だった
相手兵科がわかり、リスポするときの相手兵力を判断しやすく、キルしてくれるだけでスポットボーナスまでもらえる
というかあの黄色アイコン邪魔だからいらんわ

 

293: 2018/09/05(水) 18:16:04.33 ID:Y79bBAAU0
むしろこれ11月間に合うのかよ

 

298: 2018/09/05(水) 18:18:56.02 ID:XTy0m4m40
>>293
間に合うわけないだろ
むしろ新しいバグぶち込んでくるのが様式美

 

295: 2018/09/05(水) 18:17:37.47 ID:HXqC1YNM0
ガン待ち批判する人って自己中すぎる
そりゃ建物中の角待ちには腹は立つかもしれないけど、待つことが強いんだから待ってキルできるところは待つに決まってるじゃん
自分が気持ちよくなれないからって理由で批判するのはお門違いじゃないかな

 

302: 2018/09/05(水) 18:22:09.04 ID:VHweVqCSa
>>295
ガン待ちは戦術として有りだが、それが強いゲームって一般的にクソゲ扱いされるぞ

 

301: 2018/09/05(水) 18:21:51.12 ID:J2FciB560
マジで敵が見えないんだが
スポットこの仕様に決定したアフォ氏んでくれ

 

304: 2018/09/05(水) 18:23:35.96 ID:Dvp7+KjyM
スポット廃止と画面の見難さがあいまって、プレイアブルな状態になくね?
どんな開発環境でテストしてんだこれ

 

315: 2018/09/05(水) 18:34:33.36 ID:YMq21/6yM
ガイルもガン待ち強いもんな

 

320: 2018/09/05(水) 18:38:11.78 ID:4/gNtEjnd
スポットの仕様はこれでいい
拠点範囲もBF4並みの広さになっててかなり良い
ただ発砲赤点復活しなかったのは失策だわ
前線をどこか分かってないプレイヤーが多くて携行弾数少ないのと相まってこれのせいで大半が自拠点籠りの芋ゲーと化してるな

 

323: 2018/09/05(水) 18:41:49.62 ID:LZTmtoRY0
今作の芋は修行に近いものだと思うんだが
やる奴はいるんだな

 

327: 2018/09/05(水) 18:42:49.95 ID:zDTySh3f0
せめて音さえ聞こえればまだ敵の位置分かるのにそれすらダメだからな

 

330: 2018/09/05(水) 18:45:00.18 ID:HXqC1YNM0
批判しまくってる人が言う芋は拠点にいて、その拠点を防衛してる人のことを指してる人絶対いるでしょ
それは芋とは違うと思うけどな

 

342: 2018/09/05(水) 18:59:38.08 ID:4/gNtEjnd
>>330
今作拠点の強ポジで拠点防衛してるとガンガンキル取れるな

 

343: 2018/09/05(水) 19:02:48.00 ID:wLVgVZTEM
スポットなくすと運ゲーになるな。

 

355: 2018/09/05(水) 19:14:30.52 ID:4/gNtEjnd
>>343
今までのスポットは強すぎた
有利ポジに居る方がより有利になるシステムやった
発砲赤点出さないと前線も出来ないし敵がどこでどこを見てるかも予想しにくいからお祈りゲーになる

 

347: 2018/09/05(水) 19:08:25.54 ID:yLtEHf4j0
BF1ではボッチ裏取りマンだったけど分隊で対応されるとほぼ取れないから廃業かなあ

 

352: 2018/09/05(水) 19:10:31.95 ID:K23bYcT0p
>>347
取るの早いからむしろ1よりソロでやり易いんじゃね

 

371: 2018/09/05(水) 19:25:04.68 ID:yLtEHf4j0
>>352
タイマー早いのはいいんだけど分隊意識で応援湧かれる確率上がりそう
まあこっちも湧いてくれればいいんだけど

 

348: 2018/09/05(水) 19:08:31.21 ID:/pc+uET60
ガン待ち有利ではあるけど、裏どりにも有利になってる
コンクエは、マップで入れる建物とか多すぎて入り組んでるから
裏どりアンド裏どりアンド裏どり合戦になる…前線の睨み合いがほとんどない

 

373: 2018/09/05(水) 19:26:06.76 ID:rPjbR0FR0
>>348
このレスだけ読むと面白そうなゲームなんだけど突撃厨にはヒマすぎるんかな?
特にベータだしみんな動き回りたい時期だからね
製品版でて落ち着いたら神ゲーになるんじゃないかと妄想

 

379: 2018/09/05(水) 19:32:51.79 ID:/pc+uET60
>>373
さっき落としたばっかの拠点が離れた隙に
ソッコーで落とされたりとかあるから
シーソーゲームすぎて、俺貢献してるぜ感とかがあんま無い…w

戦況に右往左往させられる感じ…
あぁ俺って64人の1人に過ぎないんやなぁ…と思い知らされる

まぁ俺が下手なだけかも知れんが…

 

349: 2018/09/05(水) 19:09:20.64 ID:obz8Mt5n0
いうほど今はガン待ちは多くない
ただくそほど死角が多い

 

351: 2018/09/05(水) 19:09:54.64 ID:obz8Mt5n0
だからか回遊が多い

 

358: 2018/09/05(水) 19:18:05.87 ID:n26hmlanp
発砲赤点はいらないかなぁ
ありゃ初心者救済機能だし索敵の楽しみ無い

 

370: 2018/09/05(水) 19:24:13.44 ID:4/gNtEjnd
>>358
キルタイム早いし索敵含めた立ち回りがしっかりしてる上級者なら問題なくプレイできるけどこれBFだからな
BFでパーティーゲー 初心者お断りゲーはヤバい

 

361: 2018/09/05(水) 19:20:01.22 ID:TAqkb8nB0
発砲赤点もスポットもないの?ptゲーすぎでは

 

366: 2018/09/05(水) 19:21:13.83 ID:TqUYpnrUr
初心者や中級者よりミニマップから多くの情報読み取っていた猛者は今回の仕様はマイナスに働くだろうな
逆に待ち有利でキル拾えるから初心者とかには優しい仕様

 

368: 2018/09/05(水) 19:23:29.97 ID:XTy0m4m40
>>366
でも分隊ゲーになるから今までと違って1人の重みが増して初心者お断りだよ
湧きトロいしクソザコ分隊員いたらキレるわ

 

369: 2018/09/05(水) 19:24:08.36 ID:/pc+uET60
ただ、一人でガン待ちしてても
複数人でドダダダダってこられると
二人目さばけないで死ぬ
リコイル制御が難しいから…単に俺が下手なだけかも知れんが

だから、味方のケツを追っかけて回遊してた方がよっぽどいい

 

381: 2018/09/05(水) 19:35:40.15 ID:4/gNtEjnd
>>369
立ち回り慣れればサイドアームの弾無くなるまで継戦できるぞ
1対5でもひっくり返せるし拠点防衛はかなり楽
複数に位置バレしたら無理だけど

 

383: 2018/09/05(水) 19:39:58.88 ID:/pc+uET60
>>381
1対5のひっくり返しは流石に凄すぎて草

 

390: 2018/09/05(水) 19:43:59.19 ID:4/gNtEjnd
>>383
毎回ひっくり返せるほど猛者じゃないけどスポットないしキルタイム短いからガバいプレイヤー相手なら全然いけるぞ
10人位キルしたらすべての弾が尽きるからずっと1人じゃずっと留まって居られないのは良いバランスだけど

 

392: 2018/09/05(水) 19:44:49.53 ID:Tt5PiiV50
分隊行動する→4人で周囲を警戒しながら進む→一人が横槍してくる敵2名に気付くが死ぬ→残りもそれに気付くが間に合わず死ぬ→敵、市街に潜伏開始

やっぱスポット必要かなと思うわ
分隊レベルで対処しきれるケースの方が少ない

 

401: 2018/09/05(水) 19:52:25.00 ID:4/gNtEjnd
>>392
分隊員一人でも残っていれば蘇生できるしok ってのがダイスの考えやろ
VC繋いでガチガチの連携とれるならダイナミックに動けて面白いやろ

 

409: 2018/09/05(水) 20:03:28.15 ID:Tt5PiiV50
>>401
常にVC4人の分隊が必要ってのはおもしろさを問う意味でも賛否別れると思うよ

 

416: 2018/09/05(水) 20:05:39.99 ID:4/gNtEjnd
>>409
ダイス迷走してるからな
初心者お断りしてどうするんやろ

 

393: 2018/09/05(水) 19:44:53.08 ID:19EPXCH3a
スポットがないのがクソゲー要素を加速させてる。
ベータだからまだみんな自由に動き回ってるけど
製品版でて落ち着いたら動いたら負けというゲームデザインのせいで地味な戦いになるな。

 

405: 2018/09/05(水) 19:57:00.60 ID:SbcnDtC10
手動スポット無しだから裏取りし放題で複数進入ルートありの拠点が多いから建築で拠点への侵入ルートを塞げ
ってゲームデザインなんだろうって感じてるな今回のBFは
いずれ定石ができてこの場所の拠点はここを塞いでおくポジションとかが明確になってくると思うよ

 

407: 2018/09/05(水) 20:02:16.47 ID:ZKD0VQTI0
スポットないのか・・・目悪いから今までスポットしてから撃たなきゃ弾当たらなかった俺には
辛そうなゲームになったんだな・・・

 

412: 2018/09/05(水) 20:04:19.37 ID:0TZKe71ud
>>407
双眼鏡係よろしく

 

546: 2018/09/05(水) 21:48:28.29 ID:dh4B8zF80
スポット無くしたらBFじゃねえだろ…
せめて偵察兵でスポットしたら結構長く赤点維持するようにしてくれ

 

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